| piranha | what comes first, reverb, eq, or compression? |
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| m||m | What u effecting? What u trying to achieve? |
| piranha | i'm new when it comes to all of this. any help would be appreciated. |
| tea.hot,milk.twosugars | practice. Make mistakes. You might come up with some awesome noises. I have bits of each of those on everything; on each individual track; in a different order each time. |
| weyheyhey | I certainly wouldn't normally apply compression after reverb. Usually: EQ->Compression->Reverb, no? |
| oeuvre | it depends. Mix engineers compress reverb returns to make the rooms breath sometimes, having the ambience suck and blow is a really nice effect. If you want to enhance a certain frequency in a certain track, eq then compress. So if you have a sample that has an undesirable top but you want the bass, heavily eqing the bass frequencies then compressing hard is a good alternative to straight up filtering. This is because you are emphasising the peaks you want, and then the compressor is working with what you want it to work on. Compression then eq gives a more natural result as you are adding dynamics back to the compressed signal. Mastering however usually eqs first then compresses. But th old adage stands true, trust your ears! |
| weyheyhey | hmm, that's a good point about EQing after compression. I'll have to experiment with that, cheers. |
| vinylvandal | ive had good results before on some things by putting a send to the reverb before compression, so the reverb is a whole seperate thing to that signal chain. not always the way to go though |
| yaoya | i've been adding compressors into all parts of the signal chain lately. sidechaining my drums into the bass part, then compressing both the drum and bass parts separately again, and then a light compression on the master out. compressors are cheap when you make them yourself digitally. :) another production tip would be to get really well acquainted with effects that convert mono-> stereo. basic one that i picked up from folk here years ago is just to delay one side by a millisecond or 2. i make all my own stuff from scratch, but i'm sure there must be a million 'stereo dimension' vst's and whatnot out there to choose from. |
| weyheyhey | Yeah, I used that delay trick for a while :) though sometimes your ears interpret the left/right delay as directional information. so a tiny delay on the right channel makes it sound like it's coming from the left haha. I use this simple VST called "psp pseudo stereo" now. Not sure how it works, think it might do a similar thing but with a specific freq band instead of the whole spectrum. |
| oeuvre | new york/parallel compression is a thing i have been doing recently. The bass and the drums. Gets the rhythm section properley rocking together. |
| bendish | unless you want to use eq and compression as effects, use them as little as possible....the more processing...the more weird shit that happens to the signal....less processing cleaner signal etc cant really believe i am contributing as in my view breaking every rule is fun and gets the creativity levels up....that said....it depends what you want to achieve... |
| pidgin | someone explain what sidechaining is please!!! i know it's a fundamental concept but i have no idea. |
| bendish | if you use logic...careful of your gain in and out of plugins....its often quite hard to know exactly whats going on unlike protools or ableton which seem to make things more obvious although abletons gain structure often has me baffled....digital distortion can creep up on you pretty easily..... some good tutorials here.... [nextstepaudio.com] |
| bendish | side chaining's most popular use is to reduce the bass everytime the bass drum hits....therefore allowing the bass drum to really standout.....and preventing masking...you send the bass drum track to the sidechain input of a compressor on the bass track....high ratio and low threshold on the compressor...attack and release to taste...and wham....used a lot in trance.....i reckon its overused and gimmicky...but the theory can be applied to any effect with a sidechain input....which can be seriously fun |
| Mattrock | The signal follower in renoise allows you to 'sidechain' any effect parameter. It's bloody amazing. |
| weyheyhey | Mattrock said: The signal follower in renoise allows you to 'sidechain' any effect parameter. It's bloody amazing. wow thanks man, I hadn't noticed this new feature. This is exactlyyyyy what i've been waiting for |
| bendish | fuck really? jesus |
| pidgin | this is good cos i use and understand renoise, so perhaps i will be able to use and understand sidechaining now :) |
| Japes | Yeah. The signal follower is incredible. Beefy kicks and bass now and forever more. |
| Mattrock | I like to imagine side-chain compression as if it's someone like Kate Nash. I punch her in the face and she goes quiet for a millisecond, but then she just keeps on singing. Until I punch her in the face again. Depending on how much power I put into my punch and how long I keep it lodged in her face, the singing comes back at different speeds. It's all about the attack, the release and the threshold. |
| Mattrock | The signal follower linked up to the hydra device (linked to loads of other plugins) is bonkers. |
| oootini | haha. i was going to mention that renoise signal follower but i decided against it for some reason. but yeah, it's pretty spiffing. |
| bendish | i used to love renoise but ended up doing the regular daw thing for ease of view...the new view makes things so much easier sick program |
| yaoya | >>Yeah, I used that delay trick for a while :) I use this simple VST called "psp pseudo stereo" now. Not sure how it works, think it might do a similar thing but with a specific freq band instead of the whole spectrum.<< yeah, that's how i set mine up too. what i figured, is that you generally want to have the bass more centred, and then have the high end dancing around in the stereo field. so my stereo expander has a frequency cutoff slider too, to send more of the bass end through raw when need be. also, as you said, the mind sometimes plays tricks, and even though the right is delayed, it sounds like the left is coming later. to fix this, i just added a L<-->R switch to invert the stereo when i want to. |
| peace ♥ | I sold my monitors, and so now I can't hear shit. However, it's a blessing!!!!! Because now I've been having so much fun with making new tracks and experimenting- LIKE THE OLD DAYZ- instead of chiseling away at ear candy for hours without accomplishing much. So before it was like I made a lot of velvet sheets that took forever to sew together to make something.. Now I'm making paper towel sheets, but I'm forming them into passenger ready aircraft. Now if I could only get my aircraft to be made of velvet, then I'll finally be able to cum laser. |
| Mattrock | The Ozone 4 'mastering' plugin, which is good for 'home mastering', if that's not too dirty a word, has an excellent multi-band stereo imager which uses delay. I quite like it. |
| delet... | either aircraft has little chance of flying either way peace my boy. 'Welcome aboard bedding airlines, Your hostesses will be serving pillows and eye candy shortly after we don't take off.' |
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